Thursday, November 10, 2011

What's your opinion about Joe Paterno?

Nebraska plays Penn State in an away game on Saturday....so we will watch it on television.Probably for the best, though. Happy Valley is going to be unhappy.

So, what do you think about Joe being fired? I'd really be interested to read what you think. And let's keep it civil, please. We all get to have our own opinions.

So, do you think:

1) It was right to fire him. He KNEW. He KNEW Sandusky was assaulting children and all he did was tell the athletic director?! That is so fucking lame!

2) I don't think it was right to fire him. He did what he was supposed to do. He notified his athletic director. For god sakes, he's been there for over half a decade! He is a legend, raised millions of dollars for that school. And HE didn't molest anyone!

Or? Other opinions? Sitting on the fence? This is a hard one for me, mostly because we don't know that many details. Yes, we know that he knew that Sandusky was molesting children. Yes, he notified his athletic director the moment he found this out.

Were he and Sandusky friends? And if so, did that come into play? And maybe he decided to get him off the team in a quieter way?

This poses all sorts of questions.

I mean, I like to think that if I was in his position, that I would have absolutely went to the police myself if my athletic director was of the mind that we should just throw this under the rug.

It smacks of the big wigs in the Catholic Church deciding to just transfer a priest who is molesting children instead of dealing with his sorry ass.

But, it gets hard when you put a face on it. I try to imagine something unimaginable to me. I try to imagine walking into the bathroom at work and seeing my favorite co-worker, Julie, molesting a child.

And you know what? I think my loyalties would go right out the window. I think knowing that she was hurting a child would take precedence.

I wish that Joe had felt that way too. But, then? His job is played out on a much more visible field. Perhaps, he felt that he had done all he could do.

We'll never know. So...I'll let you know my opinion after I hear yours.

What do you think about this? Was it right to fire Joe Paterno?

22 comments:

Lilith said...

I think everyone involved needs to be held accountable, from Joe to the athletic director to the university. I'm so tired of people looking away because why? Because they may lose their job? They're not sure what to do? Grow a pair already and do the right thing. Protect a kid, a human being from a lifetime of being fucked up.

I think far more people should have been fired.

Lilith said...

I just read a little about what happened as only heard a short snippet on the radio yesterday. Reminds me a little of the movie "Crash". All of us are capable of making good and bad decisions, of doing hurtful and thoughtful things.

That being said, when a kid is being hurt, you stand up. You stand up until you can't stand anymore. You stand up until the hurting stops. You stand up until everyone knows.

I'm a mama bear. Never mess with my kids.

Earth Muffin said...

I don't sit on the fence with this one at all. He absolutely should have gone to the police about this as soon as he became aware of it, and I don't care that he has a career that puts him in the spotlight. I believe you are right when you say, "It smacks of the big wigs in the Catholic Church deciding to just transfer a priest who is molesting children instead of dealing with his sorry ass." I'm glad to see Penn State dealing with it the way they are, though I'm sure it's too little, too late for the victims.

Mitch Block said...

It's an interesting subject and I'm fascinated by the little violet uproar by his supporters. But, I feel that it doesn't matter who Joe Paterno is or what he accomplished in his time at Penn. If the story is as I understand it: Children were being molested and at least one had been molested on campus in plain sight. Paterno was in a position of power and responsibility. He knew and did the minimum that was legally required of him by reported it to a higher-up and then turning his back. Nothing was done about it and he did nothing more. How would we feel if it was our child? Or one of us? I'm glad he was a much loved and successful coach. That doesn't excuse him.

Mark said...

Penn-State faces multiple law suits. They are scrambling now to cover their asses to make it look like they are trying to fix the problem. Sadly, the "problem" was the rape of all these children. You can't fix that.
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pawsingtospeak said...

There is so much wrong about all of this...

1. this happened in 2002 - why is it coming up now?

2. why didn't the grad student break it up or call the police right then?

3. there is more that is being covered up...

Jennfactor 10 said...

He needed to GO and I'm glad they didn't let him retire on his terms. Sandusky was caught IN THE ACT and on school grounds, and no one called the police? Take your pick- As a parent, a responsible adult, a representative of his school, or as a human being, there is much more obligation than just reporting it to a superior. They didn't report it knowing he was running a youth program! /end rant. sigh. Just horrible on every level.

jen@ living a full life said...

With all due respect when i see something illegal i report it to the proper authorities and that's the police, not the director of athletics. And I can't imagine that there wasn't a follow up conversation about something so serious!

Joe should have called the police, and now the school is covering their asses. Should they have fired him? If one of those kids were mine he'd be getting a lot worse.

It is a terrible shame that people (Penn State) can't be trusted but sometimes they put their own interests before those of children. (my own Catholic Church comes to mind as a perfect example of this ) Sad but true!

Annemarie of Holland said...

I'm not familiar with the details, but I'd say that if the child abuse continued after Paterno told the athletic director, whereas the abuse could have been stopped if he had informed other levels as well, then yes, it was right to fire him. You have a moral obligation to do everything you can to stop something like that. If it continues, even if you've told someone, then you go to the next level and tell them. You do so until the abuse stops.

Him having a long career with this team doesn't impress me; it could just as well be a case of him wanting to hang on to his job then, at the expense of a lot of innocent children. That is just not justified.

Destingirls said...

Someone came to him and told him what they saw, he went to his supervisor and reported it. So I guess it's not like he did nothing...but then he just let it go. How did he sleep at night? I just read the timeline on CNN.com. There were alot of people who saw things and didn't really pursue it. Should Paterno have been fired? I guess he didn't really break any laws but damn. He should have resigned on his own...immediately.

8thdayplanner said...

How anyone could witness a child being raped and not defend and protect that child is beyond me. How anyone could be told about it and not insure that the perpetrator is brought to justice is reprehensible. The whole thing makes me sick. Where is our humanity?

Redbone210 said...

I just read an article about the J. Edgar movie that helped but some of the situation into perspective.

Years ago (Joe P's demographic), there were situations that people could not wrap their heads around, so they ignored them, hoping that they would disappear. That the person was a "decent" guy in every other way (took care of family, went to work) so some issues that were uncomfortable were dismissed or hidden.

Fast forward to now - in a Post Oprah world - child abuse and predators are widely discussed and reviled (deservedly so).

I believe that in Joe P's case, he really did think that what he did was right. He told the Athletic Director, which is what he was supposed to do. What we are angry with is the fact that he didn't go further. He didn't fire Sandusky. He didn't call the police. He didn't do what most people nowadays would do.

I think he was wrong – anyone and everyone who had knowledge that this abuse was happening are wrong and deserve punishment. But I am trying to also understand why he is wrong.

sybil law said...

He needs to go.
That's all I'm saying, because otherwise I will explode with profanities all over this nice blog.

Tiger Chanter said...

The safety of a child should take precedence over ANYTHING!

Firing him was the right thing to do and the students currently protesting his firing should be ashamed of themselves!

Jean said...

I had a discussion about this last night. The person I was talking to was mourning the downfall of Joe Pa and the Penn State FB program.

I told him to get a visual in his head of his 11 year old son. Then get a visual of an 11 year old getting sodomized by a coach in a shower and replace the anonymous boys face with his son's face. Then picture someone walking in on the abuse and not going directly to the police.

And I asked him to tell me then if he would still cry about the Penn State program.

Of course he wouldn't. He'd be homicidal-not just towards the pedophile, but anyone what KNEW and didn't act to protect his son.

It makes me sick. All of the pukes involved in anyway in this should be prosecuted as if it was their dick in that boy's ass. We as a society do a piss poor job protecting our children (and our women, while I'm at it). But boy howdy, we protect our football. I guess there's so much more money and power in the business of FOOTBALL than there is in the business of children.

Hang all of them.

Jean said...

I had a discussion about this last night. The person I was talking to was mourning the downfall of Joe Pa and the Penn State FB program.

I told him to get a visual in his head of his 11 year old son. Then get a visual of an 11 year old getting sodomized by a coach in a shower and replace the anonymous boys face with his son's face. Then picture someone walking in on the abuse and not going directly to the police.

And I asked him to tell me then if he would still cry about the Penn State program.

Of course he wouldn't. He'd be homicidal-not just towards the pedophile, but anyone what KNEW and didn't act to protect his son.

It makes me sick. All of the pukes involved in anyway in this should be prosecuted as if it was their dick in that boy's ass. We as a society do a piss poor job protecting our children (and our women, while I'm at it). But boy howdy, we protect our football. I guess there's so much more money and power in the business of FOOTBALL than there is in the business of children.

Hang all of them.

Suzer said...

Hey Maria, I'm in PA and it is a whole world of crazy here.

As far as I'm concerned, JOEPA has shall we say obsequious behavior under the guise of doing what is best for college sports there.

I've not forgotten how he protected
Rene Portland for many years under similarly dubious circumstances.

I am appalled at his response, looking at him as a human being, without football being involved in the matter at all.

To me that is the bottom line, you shouldn't have anyone in a university setting, where they are to be role models for students when they do not do their utmost for the protection and maintenance of a good society. period. call me naive, but I think schools should be a good example.

I don't know how it isn't eating away at his cold, old heart that he didn't do everything possible to protect those kids.

(sorry for the tirade!)

Anonymous said...

I know more about these situations than I care to share even posting as "anonymous." He was right to be fired. If loyalties, love, and friendship are involved, best thing is to pull oneself out of denial and say some version of "I love you and because I love you, I have to turn you in."

It's heartwrenching. Yes. And unfortunately, most chld molesters are survivors of child abuse themselves and it's a type of addiction and everything. But. It causes great, great harm.

Honsetly, I can't go into more detail. It's a big box of info I try to keep mostly sealed up except for calling up the wisdom I got from it. To really rummage around in the box means I can't function for a few days.

zc

Anonymous said...

I threw up when I heard the news...

Like Anonymous, I know first-hand the damage a pedophile can do to a child.

Left to my own devices, any adult who could have reported these crimes to the police and turned a blind eye would suffer much heavier a consequence than being fired.

I'd ask you Maria...what if it were Liv who had been violated?

Jonas said...

Yeah, what the majority of your readers said.

"All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing"

JohnD said...

No room to move on "Child Abuse" - EVERYONE IS RESPONSIBLE when this becomes known.

Have no sympathies at all for anyone who takes the 'soft line' with child abuse!

heartinsanfrancisco said...

I wrote a post about this too, because I find it horribly upsetting that anyone would defend a person who acted so unbelievably callously toward toward children he was morally bound to protect. Many, many children.

The other cheek was never his to turn, especially since his blind eyes were located there. Firing all of them would be a small step in the right direction, although nothing can undo the pain, humiliation and lifelong damage done to those little boys. Off with their heads would suit me better, because that is what Paterno and all the others who knew and did nothing deserve.