Thursday, September 10, 2009

Joe Wilson

Did anyone watch the President's address?

What did you think of Joe Wilson's hot headed outburst about the health reform plan not covering illegal immigrants?

If you didn't see it, he yelled something like, "LIE! YOU LIE!"

This pissed me off on many levels.

1) It was distasteful and disrespectful. That kind of behavior goes on at town hall meetings all over America but had no place in that venue.

2) It showed ignorance. I have read the health reform bill and while I agree with it, I can see where a few areas might cause concern. This is not one of them. This area, in particular, is crystal clear and without any murkiness at all. In fact, a bipartisan fact checking agency came to this conclusion too. That kind of ignorance bugs the hell out of me. I have no problem with people exercising their right of free speech, their right to disagree. I DO have problems with people who spout off about health care reform and how it is such a bad idea....but have not read the proposal.

FOR CHRIST SAKE....at least READ it before you start spouting off. And don't give me this shit about how it is too long. It is not. I read it and it didn't take me all day. I have had to sit through more dinners with my brother in law, listening to him trounce this thing and then repeat Palin speak to me. But, when I ask a simple question:

Have you read it?

Well, no. But, he has HEARD about it.

I watch the CNN coverage of these town hall meetings with these red faced screamers (and c'mon....WHY must they scream?) and I am reminded of the screamers who had such problems with black kids going to a white high school. You know...you get so much more respect when you stand up straight and tall and clearly state your opinion. Screaming just makes you look like the village idiot.

I have no problems with those who disagree. And I would be happy to debate you if you have READ the proposal and can speak your opinion without screaming like a screech owl about death squads pulling plugs on the elderly or having to wait for an appendectomy for so long that you die.

Please.

Joe Wilson came across as a red faced buffoon.

What do you think? And please, all opinions are welcome here as long as they are respectful and not in caps. There is room at the table for all of us.

34 comments:

Leah said...

For once in my life I'm not sure I have an opinion. Incredible. I left that speech feeling more, not less, confused. I hate feeling confused, and like I don't know what things really mean. I don't find Obama any less obfuscatory than anyone else.

I wish I knew what was going on really...

But I guess we don't have much say anyway...

how defeatist is that?

jyankee69 said...

I for one agree with you and will read it before voicing an opinion. And yes.. WHY must people scream?? Isn't there room any more for civil discussion?

BTW... am re-trying this blog thing
jyankee69.wordpress.com...
stop on by???

jyankee69 said...

I am not sure why blogger refuses me! I am trying to figure all this out. I for one will be sure to read it before making an opinion, but definitely NOT screaming it! Speaking of caps, did you read the article where a woman was fired because she fired off an email all in caps??

I am retrying this blog thing... stop by my newest blog... we'll see how long I last this time... LOL

Rose said...

I'm with you, Maria. I taught debate in high school, and I can't stand to see people screaming things when someone is trying to talk. If you want to look like a rational human being, speak like a rational human being. Throwing a tantrum is fine for a 2-year-old who is trying to learn about the world; it's not fine for those of us who are older and supposedly wiser.

I hate to say it, because I think these town hall meetings have done some good, but I think they've also made some people think it's OK to act like this--shouting down the speaker, waving signs and posters, etc. This joint session of Congress was not the place for this type of behavior.

It saddens me that adults can't have a rational decision anymore without deriding the other side, using name-calling and other terrible behaviors. It's like the playground in grade school all over again, and it's embarrassing.

sandy shoes said...

My opinion: Joe Wilson behaved like a jackass. By the way, his phone numbers: (202) 225-2452; (803) 939-0041.

Anyone who has cash to throw around might be entertained by contributing to his Democratic opponent, Rob Wilson. You can do this through ActBlue.com. More here: http://www.actblue.com/page/kossacks4miller.

iamheatherjo said...

I thought the outburst was, as you said, disrespectful and unprofessional.

I remember getting in trouble for rolling my eyes during an address from the CEO of a failing company I had worked for. I can only imagine how fast I would have been fired for jumping up and calling the man a liar.

Leah said...

p.s. I have a copy of H.R. 3200, and it's over 1000 pages! How do you even attempt to read such a thing?

Karen said...

I agree that it was totally wrong to yell out. This wasn't an informal town hall meeting. And Joe Wilson should have been more respectful.

I have 2 thoughts about the President's address. First, I would hate to be a Congressman because I am too lazy for all standing up and clapping. And second, it is amazing how I can agree with everything Obama says, but so strongly disagree with the conclusions he makes.

Tina-cious.com said...

WELL I THINK... just kidding... LOL

He's an idiot and I'm sure he's going to be on ALL the news stations now and held up high by the screamers as their hero.

Guaranteed.

Golden To Silver Val said...

I will be so anxious to read these posts, Maria. I trust you and your blog so finally....I may have a place to find out what's REALLY in this Health Care paperwork as I'm sure you will correct any misinterpretations in a comment of your own following that comment....(please?) I've read MOST of it but can't say I truly understood everything I was reading and then, of course...there are all these opinions I'm getting from work and all these scare tactics you read about...other people's opinions and its very confusing.... especially to someone like me who has very limited knowledge of medical/insurance billing procedures or expertise. I have very good coverage now and wouldn't want it to change. Thanks, Maria.

Jill said...

I recorded the speech but haven't watched it yet. I heard about Wilson's outburst, though and was disgusted. But it's so indicative of the level of debate on the issue and how Republicans seem to be unable to have an intelligent, information conversation.

Sharon said...

Amen.

I don't understand what people are REALLY (excuse the caps) afraid of. It can't possibly be the insane stuff they are shouting about, so there must be some other, deeper reason. Do they really just hate Obama that much? Or have they been brainwashed that much to believe that universal healthcare = socialism = fascism?

As a Canadian, I find these "arguments" particularly insulting, as if my country routinely pays health care for illegals and lets people die in hospital corridors all the time. Last time I checked, we had a pretty good record for life-span and quality, but what do I know? I just live here.

Jean said...

The Republican party continues to implode, is what I think.

I'm certain that the health care bill is a mess on many levels, and needs edits, changes, deletions and maybe even additions before it's something that has a chance of working out of the gate. BUT WE ARE FINALLY TALKING ABOUT IT! Talking! Out loud! For more than a week or two - about the same subject! The whole process is agitating so many, so violently that I believe that it's clear evidence that we're ON THE RIGHT TRACK!

No one should have to die in the USA because they aren't 'sick' enough for public care, or aren't rich enough to absorb the costs of minimal care.

Fusion said...

I agree with you on all your points Maria. This was beyond acceptable and shows just how stupid some of our elected officials really are. From the reactions over his outburst that I've read about, I'd say he's most likely finished off his political career. Even fellow Republicans were shocked over it, although many of them were no doubt smiling on the inside...

deb said...

I don't get why Americans don't want public health care. What is the problem with all people having access to health care?

pawsingtospeak said...

I agree with you. We should all show respect to others. It is always those who have "heard" who are the loudest. It isn't perfect, but let's stick a stake in the ground and get started. These problems are not going to fix themselves. We are all responsible.

trinity2 said...

Yeah, I agree with you! Part of the reason for the health care reform is people loosing their jobs and unable to afford healthcare to begin with. I should know... Also, for people like my partner that is basically uninsurable because of her pre-existing conditions. It's alarming that people feel so opposed to it - I guess they cannot imagine themselves with no job, no healthcare and a serious illness.

Earth Muffin said...

Amen, Marie. I totally agree with you. No one yelled, "YOU LIE!", when Bush gave his various speeches about entering into an unnecessary war or searching for non-existent weapons of mass distruction. This is no different.

If you haven't already, check out www.mamapundit.com. She has linked a blog post she wrote for Babble about how un-American it is that so many parents denied allowing their kids the opportunity to hear Obama's speech for kids. It's really, really good.

Maria said...

Earth Muffin...I SAW that. Brilliant.

Leah...not sure what document you are reading. Can you be more specific? The document that I read was 54 pages long, although there were appendages to it following the original platform. I didn't go into all of those. It was wordy at times and there were many, many footnotes that I thought were unnecessary, so I admit to speed reading them. But, the tried document is not all that long.

Karen, I knew you would probably have a dissenting view, so I tried to make sure that you would feel respected and read. Tried to give you lots of wiggle room. And a friend of mine (actually a liberal democrat) said the same thing you did, although she also said that at one point, she wanted to glue Nancy P to her chair....:)

And to Deb and the rest of you Canadians and Europeans...I KNOW. My sister loves to tell a horror story that she read online about a Canadian who came to America to get health care because she felt that her country was letting her die. I researched the woman and it turned out that she had been paid rather nicely by an American insurance company....You should see some of the idiotic commercials here in the states, such fear mongering. If you read the fine print and research the group listed, it is ALWAYS backed heavily by an insurance company, usually several.

I love a good discussion. And I know that most of you agree with my views, so I didn't step too far out on a limb. I really want EVERYONE to feel comfortable about expressing their opinions, though.

And hey, Earth Muffin...did you read your Rolling Stone yet? There is a KICK ASS article by Guy Lawson about Mexico's drug lords. Also...a truly great article on Colbert. I LOVED the cover...

And to those of you who e-mailed me to ask what book Bing bought for me...it was Cirque du Freak by Darren Shan, a young adult book that is all the rage at the high school where she teaches. She was gently teasing me. She brought home Twilight when my niece begged me to read it so that we could talk about it together and I ended up falling in love with the series and reading every book. So, she thought I might like this one as well, might read it and discuss it with Kat. She thinks it is "cute" that I liked a teeny bopper book.

Maria said...

Whoops...that above comment should read that it was 354 pages long, not 54....

Maria said...

And...pps...Tina, I meant to tell you...great photo of you and yours...

zirelda said...

What I don't quite understand is that these people helped vote him into office and yet they are freaking out without really giving him a chance.

We could be a lot worse off in my most humble non political opinion.

Leah said...

Maria--yes, it's in the formatting. The original formatting leaves the document at 1017 pages, but in regular pagination, margins etc that works out to several hundred pages.

I'm wading through it.

Antonia said...

I just don't get it-I have crappy insurance that I buy directly-and I'm afraid to take the almost as expensive crappy insurance that I'll be eligible for in a month because if the company loses a contract, I'm out, and then 1st crappy insurance probably won't take me back. I'd kill for a public option.

And what kind of insurance is out there that doesn't "come between you and your doctor" by by requiring pre-approval, or refusing to pay for certain procedures?

As long as I'm ranting-what's the deal with no funding for abortions? What other health options are going to be denied women? I love the man, but that pandering gave me pause, even though I understand the politics of it.

Antonia said...

Ignore my rant, I only got to SEC. 1144 before my eyes started twitching.

It seems awfully benign so far, though.

Antonia said...

Ignore my rant, I only got to SEC. 1144 before my eyes started twitching.

It seems awfully benign so far, though.

Around My Kitchen Table said...

As a Brit I don't feel I have any right to comment on the American health system. However, I was upset to read severe criticism of our National Health Service by some Americans. It's not perfect, of course not, but if you're an ordinary person without a megabucks income, it's absolutely brilliant. No one in this country has to worry about how they're going to pay if they become ill... no one - whether they sleep rough or sleep in a palace. Speaking from a purely personal point of view, every criticism I have read has been nonsense. My and my family's experience of the NHS has been brilliant - excellent care and all free (although we do pay our taxes!). Read this hilarious article by one of our British personalities which is mostly about the Canadian system. www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/jeremy_clarkson/article6814702.ece

Jamie said...

I thought the man was an ass, pure and simple. I don't care what your opinion of the whole health care thing is, our president deserves respect, his office demands respect, period. I am not an Obama fan by any means, but this behavior crossed the line.

I have read the health care bill, and I think that some of it would be a real benefit to the country. My issue is with government involvement. I do not trust this administration (or any that came before) and the lines between private sector and government owned are becoming blurrier than ever before. It scares me.

Hope this weekend is a good one Maria! Hugs, girl. :)

Sharon again said...

Maria -

I am aware of that woman who is being paid to say that the Canadian system left her for dead. In addition to the paycheque, it should be noted that her cancer was NOT life threatening, as she says. Many doctors who have reviewed her case say that she was offered completely appropriate care.

I was ashamed that someone who has enjoyed the privilege - no, the RIGHT - to publicly funded health care all her life would so quickly and happily disparage it.

LizW said...

I hope you don't mind a few more cents worth from another Canadian. I have two close relatives going through major medical issues at the moment - one facing prostate cancer and one elderly woman in the hospital for what appeared to be a hernia, but may be something far worse. Both are receiving prompt, professional care. Yes, there can be terribly long waits in emergency departments, but hospitals do attempt to treat the most severe cases first. I am currently unemployed and going back to school, having been off work since January. However, I can rest assured in the knowledge that if I became ill or had an accident, I would receive medical attention without charge. I'm not sure what someone in the same situation in the U.S. could expect and I am sure there are a lot of you in that very situation. As others have said, our health care system is not perfect, but bankruptcy and/or lack of access to medical treatment are not issues we have to face and neither should any society. Let's hope cooler heads prevail.

Miss Healthypants said...

Joe Wilson is an ignoramus. Enough said.

Jonas said...

What troubles...and troubles me greatly...is the growing evidence that too many Americans refuse to accord Barack Obama the respect typically accorded the President.

The Civil Rights Act of the 1960's outlawed racial discrimination...but no law can change the hatred within a human heart. We're seeing the last gasps of an old social order.

I'd be morose, despondent, were it not for the fact that our Nation's youth have moved past the stereotypes of old, the hatreds of old.

I hope to God the Joe Wilsons of the world are swept into the dustbin of history.

It's been a long time comin'. A hundert years of Jim Crow. Decades of "social conservativism". We can all see it for what it is.

Thank God, more eyes than not see the Truth than not.

KMae said...

Yeah, not to mention a Jackass.
Yep yep, he's a PROUD jackass.

heartinsanfrancisco said...

I agree with you on all points, especially that it's idiotic to dispute something you haven't read, and Wilson's rudeness was simply appalling.