Saturday, February 09, 2008

What sits best with me.

Bing was flabbergasted.

She had been going on and on about how she couldn't wait for today to come: the first Nebraska caucus. She wanted us to both go and caucus for Hillary.

I told her that I was still undecided.

Blank look. Incredulous blank look.

"What do you mean "undecided"? she finally asked.

It means that I don't know if I am supporting Hillary Clinton or Barrack Obama, I told her.

This was a first for us. We have had our differences about money, about child rearing, about many, many things, even seemingly mundane things such as how to train a dog, and what exactly is junk food, which ended up to produce rather large arguments considering they were small matters on paper.

But we have always been on the same page politically. Both of us solid liberal democrats and proud of it.

And now I was rocking the boat. Bing already has the Hillary yard signs in the garage.

I told her that I wanted to take more time to look at all the issues, that I wanted to be very, very sure. That to be honest, I just liked Obama better. He spoke to me in terms that resonated clearly with me. Hillary? Well, I liked the content of her speeches, just found myself stepping back from her for some reason. I wanted to explore that reason.

So, I have spent the last two days going over issues that are important to me and seeing clearly where all (Clinton, Obama and McCain) the candidates fall on them. I want to make a good decision, not one based on personality, etc.

There are many, many issues to think about. Abortion, economy, civil rights, crime, drugs,education, energy, environment, children, foreign policy, free trade, government reform, gun control, health care, homeland security, immigration, infrastructure,jobs, principles, social security, war and poverty.

I decided to hone it down to my top five issues that I feel strongly about.

1) Abortion
2) Civil rights
3) Environment
4) Gun control
5) Health care.

I researched all three candidates on the above topics and came up with these answers:


Both Obama and Clinton voted yes to 100 million$ to reduce teen pregnancy and both support Roe vs Wade.
All candidates voted yes to expand research to more embryonic stem cell lines.
Clinton supports parental notice.
McCain wants to prosecute abortion doctors and overturn Roe vs Wade. He voted yes on banning human cloning.

I can't go with McCain on this issue (imagine my shock and surprise), am pretty much appalled at his stands in general.

Clinton edges out slightly ahead because of the supporting of parental notice. I tend to lean that way too.

Civil Rights

All candidates agree that states should decide on gay marriage.And all candidates voted no on the constitutional ban of same sex marriage. That seems reasonable to me. But McCain voted no on adding sexual orientation to definition of hate crimes, while Clinton voted yes. That is a HUGE deal to me. McCain also voted yes on prohibiting same sex marriage. So, which is it, McCain? Can't seem to make up your mind on this one, huh? Or maybe just some fence sitting? Time to heave yourself up and off that fence, big guy. Obama says that he opposes gay marriage but supports civil unions. So, we can legally do it, but not morally? Obama and Clinton also agree that there should be health benefits for gay civil partners. Since I don't care if I can legally marry so much as I would really like to have partnership rights in Bing's health insurance, I am sort of stuck on this one. I can support either Obama or Clinton.


Clinton stands for cleaner air (as opposed to what? wanting dirty air?)and funding the EPA.
Obama wanted to see Katrina contracts go to the locals, not to Halliburton. Ok, yes.
McCain wants to use park visitor fees for park development bonds and make the EPA into a cabinet department.
All candidates voted yes on including oil and smokestacks in mercury regulations. This sort of seems like a no-brainer issue to me, though...

Hmmm...toss up, but, I am going with Obama for this one.

Gun Control
McCain gets a firm shake of the finger from me in so many directions on this issue. He opposes restrictions on assault weapons and ammunition types. Voted yes to banning lawsuits against gun manufacturers for gun violence and also on prohibiting lawsuits against gun manufacturers in general. He also voted yes on loosening license and background checks at gun shows. Like, what? We are just too hard on those guys or something and need to cut them a break? I don't think so.
Both Clinton and Obama voted no on prohibiting lawsuits against gun manufacturers.
Obama goes the extra distance on this one, though, by wanting to ban semi-automatics and impose more possession restrictions.

Obama takes this one.

Health Care
All candidates voted yes on increasing Medicaid rebate for producing generics and on requiring negotiated Rx prices for Medicare part D and on allowing reimportation of Rx drugs from Canada.
Obama says that he wants "government healthcare like the members of congress have." That sounds wishy washy to me. He also supports condom distribution to deal with the scourge of AIDS.

McCain doesn't believe in any mandated universal system for health care. Which basically means that he is okey dokey with us drowning in our current sea of insurance companies sticking it to us but good. He IS for higher taxation on cigarettes and matching funds for senior citizens prescription drugs.

I'm not impressed with either Obama or McCain on this.

Here is where Hillary really shines in my opinion. She wants universal health care coverage by the end of her second term, to insure ALL children, fund teaching hospitals federally, regulate a tobacco fine of 3000$ for every underage smoker and let states make bulk Rx purchases.

I have never understood why so many people in America get all shaky and nervous about universal health care. Have you ever had to deal with a catastrophic illness? If you did, you would understand why so many people hate insurance companies. If you just have to go in every year or so when your little Susie breaks her arm, well....consider yourself very, very lucky. And don't come bawling to me when some terrible health crisis DOES hit your family and you didn't vote for universal health care. God, can people really be so obtuse?

Want a crash course in this topic? Work in a medical environment that tends to America's poor. I did. It nearly broke my heart. You will see harsh realities that you never thought could happen in OUR country. People who are dying and being turned away because they either don't have insurance or have bad insurance. It should NOT happen on our watch. We should never ever let a child die. EVER. Or an adult for that matter. But, they do. They really do. Just open your eyes and do some serious research while you sit your fat, cozy ass in your cushy chair with your laptop. Now, stop.

Close your eyes and imagine that poor person is you or your child or your aunt or your best friend. Because if you or they get REALLY sick, it very well could be.

And think of all of the people in England, in France, in Canada. They have universal health care and hey...if it was so terrible, wouldn't they be storming America? They aren't. Universal health care works. And it is time for America to step up to it.

Hillary Clinton is the only candidate that seems to see that. So, she wins this issue., it was time to look over my issues.

Abortion: Clinton
Civil Rights: Obama or Clinton
Gun Control:Obama
Health Care: Clinton

Ugh. A tie. Shit.

So, I thought about which two issues mattered most to me, whittling it down further. I came up with Civil Rights and Health Care.

And well...yeah. I guess I am going to have to go with Hillary Clinton.

The problem: I LIKE Obama's personality better. I like his speeches better. Something resonates in me when I hear him speak. But, if I am completely honest with myself, I must realize that my beliefs and Hillary Clinton's are more in sync.

Bing was getting ready to go to the caucus this morning. We hadn't been able to get a sitter, so I was planning to stay home with Liv. I caught up to her in the kitchen.

"Hey," I told her. "Have fun and tell me all about it when you get home, yes?"

She said she would and then I hugged her goodbye and whispered those seven magic words in her ear: I have decided to support Hillary Clinton.

She grinned. Two hot lesbians in love on the same page again.

"I knew you'd come around..." she said.

But, it wasn't without a lot of thought on my part. I wonder how everyone else decides on a candidate? Their party? Their gut feeling? me...the issues.

What issues are important to you? No slug festing allowed. Let's all keep it polite and respectful. Because, I will be honest, if you are going to tell me that Hillary's laugh bothers you or you don't like her hair, shoes, clothes, husband (and spare me the reference to philandering unless you truly are without sin and can cast that stone in your hand) or tone, I'm not going to listen. Because it is easy to slam dunk but it takes a brain to formulate an opinion. I will respect yours, please respect mine as well.

And you non-Americans? What do you think? Do you like any of our candidates?

Just curious....


Mme Benaut said...

Congratulations Maria on both examining the issues and also informing us of them and your decision. They are all worthy issues but I agree with you on universal health care being one of the most critical for your citizens. Good health equals a good life. It's hard to have the latter without the former. I think you made the right choice of Candidate so I guess I'm with Bing on this one. Interesting post Maria - well done.

Rebecca said...

Very cool way to go about it :)

I could never vote Tory. I would actually rather die than vote Tory. I'm from where they (and basically I mean Thatcher - first female PM or not, she's a witch, a truly evil with) wrecked - towns and villages with no hope, entire generations with no jobs, no prospects... I could never, ever, vote Blue. (Our colours are reversed to yours, I believe)

Labour has completely effed up Britain in the last ten years, so I can't really vote for them either. I vote LibDem, although it often feels like a wasted vote, because it makes no difference, really.

I couldn't vote Republican. I don't really think either Clinton or Obama are as socialist as I'd like, either. I'd probably go for Obama, just cos I'd really like to see what would happen with a black guy in the White House :D

LMC said...

Wow. Good for you for examining the issues, how marvellous would it be if everyone did that. From a lot of what I have read, the choice seems to be about being a woman or being black, which is totally wrong.

We really only have 2 choices here for the top job, we vote once and then that person is elected. I didn't like the guy that had done it for the past 11 years (based on what he had done, not the colour of his suits), so I voted for the other one. Has worked out well so far

Stacy said...

To be honest, the candidate whose ideas I most relate to is Huckabee, but he is a long shot. McCain is probably my second choice. About all I see eye to eye on with Clinton is health care and education. Obama is an okay guy, but his ideas seem awfully vague. I have a feeling this is all going to come down to McCain and Clinton and I will have to go with McCain, the lesser of the two evils....mostly because I think he will be a better Commander in Chief.

pins said...

Like you, I have been very torn between Obama and Clinton.

I am convinced I've decided on Hillary, then I listen to the "Yes We Can" speech by Obama and I'm undecided again.

My heart says Obama and my head says Clinton.

MLC said...

Obama is a charismatic speaker but doesn't have experience that Hillary does. We saw what happens when a smart, nice candidate without experience is elected. His name was Jimmy Carter and nothing happened.

Hillary is smart and experienced - she can hit the ground running and get things done.

Frankly I think we need eight years of Hillary Clinton, followed up with another eight years with Obama.

Nice post-

Earth Muffin said...

What a great and informative post! I'm rather embarrassed to admit that I don't keep up much with politics...well, I do, but through my husband who is a political junkie. He reads any and everything he can get his hands on, subscribes to political magazines, watches the returns like they're porn...he's absolutely fascinated by the process. He also makes his decisions based on the issues, like you. Fortunately for me, his critical issues are my critical issues and we share the same opinion on those issues. So, I guess what I'm actually embarrassed to admit is that I base who I vote for on who he votes for...oh, that makes me sound so pitiful. However, I can honestly say that the longer we've been together, the more politically aware I've become. He gives me articles to read that he thinks I can make it through without falling asleep and he tells me about things he knows are important to me: abortion, education, the environment, the war. We, too, are currently undecided...Hillary has a lot going for her, but Obama speaks to us in a way that she doesn't. We're definitely not interested in McCain. This election is so important...thanks for bringing it to your blog friends' attention!

fairydogmother said...

I feel very similarly. I like Obama better personality-wise, but I vote based on how the candidates stand on various issues. I take in as much information as I can, reading up on what the candidates have to say, listening to interviews and debates, etc until I feel like I have enough information to make up my mind.

I was undecided for quite a while, actually. It finally came down to Hillary for me as well. I like Obama on the surface, and he is a compelling speaker. But that isn't enough for me. My research led me to the decision to vote for HIllary today. And despite how much I really do like Obama, my gut feeling tells me it was the right choice.

Trop said...

I think your analysis of the candidates is quite accurate. I differ with you on health care, as I like Obama's program better.

And I agree, parental notification is a big deal.

I think Hillary is more experienced that Obama. But when it comes to governing, I just think that being that she is Hillary (fairly or unfairly) she's doomed. No matter how much she reaches over to the other side, they will not budge. And because she emphasizes fighting above reaching across the aisle and building coalitions, I just think we are in for four years of nasty gridlock under Hillary.

Obama is a consensus builder, Hillary is not.

I also dislike Hillary for all of the Clinton marital drama, and because of their record of corruption. Also, she's very secretive, much like Dick Cheney. She approached Health Care reform in the first Clinton administration the very same way Cheney did energy policy. We need transparency in government after the Bush era, and I don't see her providing that.

Old Crone said...

You broke that down really well. I've been having some of the same concerns, and keep going back and forth between them. But I have to agree with you, the universal health care issue is the deal breaker for me. I really like Clinton, I really like Obama, but I've come to the same conclusion as you after I did some soul searching awhile back.

I'm really glad to hear you are thinking it out, and not just on personality, but it is hard, because like you, I really "like" Obama better.

chris wilcox said...

Hey Maria! Democracy in action! It's a great thing. But from my angle it's even greater to see that with 73% of the vote in your home state of Nebraska is voting 69-for Obama, 31 for Clinton. You see, on my top five issues was transparancy in government and ethics reform. And I don't think Hillary or McCain has much to stand on if you those issues are important to you.

Terroni said...

Obama sits best with me.
I'll post on the subject later this week.

jlb said...

from a political junkie north of the 49th parallel...
i think out current (right wing)federal government would like to see another republican in the white house, but it seems that the majority of canadians i know would love to see clinton or obama as your next president.
personally, for what it's worth, i went from hillary to obama, and am now back to hillary...

Chelle said...

I had a nice long, semi-lucid response written and our router died.

I like the spirit of what Obama is saying but I believe Hillary is in a better position to actually get things done.

Part of this is that Obama's message reminds me of the messages from our current governor, Deval Patrick, who hasn't managed to really accomplish anything since he took office, because he hasn't figured out how to get the legislature to work with him. I worry that Obama would have the same difficulty.

Hillary and I went to the same college and I know lots of women just like Hillary - women who get things done. I firmly believe that Hillary will get things done. And she is going into this with perhaps the best understanding ever of what it's like to live in the White House.

JYankee said...

I am not non-American..but I do see it from being overseas... most of the Japanese here are kind of not really knowing about either..but most tend to lean towards Obama... probably just personality wise..where-as Hillary might get onto one of her rants and be annoying... I am still "on the fence" as well..when it comes to Hillary and Obama...but tend to lean towards Hillary just because she has had the experience...even as a first lady... with her husband's presidency... What I would worry about with Obama is his record in as far as international relations...

Cakespy said...

Dude, the caucuses in Seattle were crazy. It was amazing to see how differently Hilary and Obama were presented--let's just say it's no surprise he took the cake as it were in Washington State.

Nickol said...

Thank you for such a informative post. I too have listed it out and it is a tie between Clinton and Obama but I have to go with Obama. Health care is a huge deal with my family but I am not sure if Clinton will be able to hold onto her promises.

greymatters said...

Well, I am in a different place (I guess that is how to put it) than usual, in that my gf initially dragged me to an Obama event before he declared (gf knows Obama's wife).

I find him more interesting in smaller groups, oddly.

But back to the point: health care is a big one for me (as it is for the gf) given what I/we do for a living. The environment is probably my second focus. And foreign policy third.

In all three areas, Obama seemed then and seems now to be Clinton's better.

More over, I find his temperament and approach to the nitty-gritty of politics (organizing a finely tuned ground-level campaign from the bottom-up versus top-down and outperforming the opposition; reaching successfully across party lines to broker livable legislation; communicating difference without rancor, etc.) to be clearly superior.

Thus ...

Oddly, this is the first time in years that I've been on the same political page as a gf. Sweet!

So I am most happy that you and Bing agree.

dive said...

Our National Health Service is indeed wonderful, Maria.
I've had all manner of operations and illnesses and dental stuff and my dad had a new aorta and a couple of heart valves and loads of great aftercare and it was all there on demand and free to all.
Medical insurance - like all insurance - is simply demanding money with menaces. It's not just immoral but it should be illegal in any sane society.
Hey, what's the difference between an insurance company and the Mafia?
If you pay money to the Mafia, they'll protect you.
Oh, and they dress better, too.

Politically, even your lefties would be regarded as right of centre over here. Clinton and Obama would have to veer left a long, long way before I'd vote for either of 'em.

Kate Isis said...

I heard hillary speak on letterman the other night. I like hillary, I'd vote for hillary, and i'm not even from your country.
I'd look at it this way, the country has always been run by men, maybe it is time for a change.
I like obama as well but I wonder if it will all go Bobby Kennedy on him if he got elected?

Gypsy said...

I will admit that politics is a big snore fest to me and I haven't come across an honest politician yet. What I would like to add here is that I greatly admire you for taking the time to really look into where the candidates stand on the issues that are important to you.

Whenever I visit blogs of Americans and read about your health care and people being turned away because they don't have insurance, I am appalled. In Australia that would never happen. For non urgent surgeries etc certainly there is a waiting time and sometimes its lengthy but you will get your operation. If it is a case of urgency then you are operated on as soon as it can be arranged. Many Australians do have private health insurance but the only difference between the have's and have not's is that they have a choice of the doctor that operates or treats them and can go to a private hospital. Otherwise you are just as well off as a public patient.

When I had my twins I was in hospital for 7 weeks and never saw a single bill. I didn't have insurance but had a private room in a public hospital for my entire stay. I got the doctor I wanted by chance and was treated like a VIP for the whole time I was there.

Just wanted to give you an insight into what a good health care system can be like and Australia is nowhere near as rich as America.

matriarchy08 said...

I like Obama but I'm all for Hillary. Her experience, her age and yes, because she's the woman who can and will finally smash through that ceiling.

Obama is a rockstar and tremendous orator--and hey, I've got a few English degrees so I love a well-tuned phrase's Hillary for me. She's the workhorse to Obama's beauty.

I'll vote for Obama if he wins the nomination but with a somewhat sinking heart, to be honest.

zirelda said...

Health care is my big issue. Because I agree and also because I am still paying off a ER visit for a kidney stone from a year and a half ago. $6,000 for 6 hours in the emergency room? Outrageous.

Not to mention Rach did not have any health care until I took my last job because I could not afford it and her father would not contribute.

I could go on and on....

Foster Communications said...

Thanks for doing all of the legwork. I've been a bit torn, yet leaning toward Clinton, for most of this race. I do like Edwards and Richardson but...
I think Clinton will get my vote. Now I just want to see who the running mates are.

I found you via Rebecca's blog, btw.

Melissaria said...

What a brilliant way to make up your mind - I will bear that in mind when it comes around to deciding between between our current motley choice.

I read an in-depth article the other day that really tore into Clinton's support for an all-inclusive health care system, and as a Brit, I was just baffled. Our NHS certainly isn't perfect, but the thought of a hospital actually turning a sick person away is just unthinkable here...we are very lucky indeed.

simonsays said...

Two things that I think that can ruin friendship, and this is one of them. Religion - the other. I really do appreciate the time and research that you did here, for this post. You are just a good citizen, all around. I have done my homework as well, and am still having trouble with my decision...One thing is for sure though, this is a special time in our country, and it's exciting to see so many care, for a change. :)

CDJ said...

Wow! You really do your homework! I'm supporting Hillary.I think when push comes to shove she has more substance. I feel like Barack is a whole lot of charisma, but I don't feel like he's saying anything when I hear him speak.

But that's just me...

suesun said...

Until we get the corporations out of politics, nothing is really going to change. I'm for Obama, if only because I think he exhibits a LEADERSHIP quality that we need in this country, because he is talking about WE instead of me, because although Hillary's plan may be better, she won't be able to get it through simply because of WHO SHE IS, and the forces against her. Obama is better suited to get HER policy into action.

Until we have a viable third party in this country, nothin', and I mean nothin', is really going to change.

Me, I'm an Edwards girl. Always have been. But if he endorses Hillary, I'll feel as if I were dumped.

Lulu said...

I read a few political message boards, Huffington Post, BBC news and some political blogs as well. I'm also a big fan of Bill Maher (don't agree with him on everything, though). is a current favorite

I lean toward Obama, personally. I like Hillary as well, but I'm like you...torn.

I took my girls and hubby to see Obama speak at Santa Barbara City College this past summer. I clapped so hard I had bruises on my thumbs for days! (I called it "Obama Thumb")

It was a VERY worthwhile trip, as it has resulted in both of my girls being engaged in the primaries. They are rooting for Obama, of course, but they also know that if Hillary wins the nomination both mom & dad are voting for a Democrat!


Scout said...

Maria, Thanks for breaking this down so clearly. I was rooting for Obama all the way through it, but I can understand why you'd lean toward Clinton. The thing I consider as well is which is more likely to win against McCain in November, and that point keeps me in the Obama camp. In my house, my husband will vote Republican (sigh), one daughter will vote for Clinton, and the other is leaning toward Obama at the moment. There will be no signs in our yard at all.

finn said...

It's a good thing that I'm not allowed to vote being one of those rest-of-the-world-non-Americans...

I listened to a couple of speeches by Obama and Hillary (the Republicans are out of the picture for me anyway) and I found it easier to listen to Obama. I took some time to explore that and I found that Hillary talks more facts and issues than Obama does. To make a horrible simplification here. Obama is about the wrapping and Clinton is about what's inside the box.
Problem is: I don't like what they stand for, either of them.
They are far to corporate and right of center for my taste.
The conservative party here is about as left as obama and clinton are save for immigration. I don't vote for them I vote for the lefties, who aren't even left enough for my taste...go figure.

(btw I love my Health Care System here, I never pay for ANYTHING)

Angelissima said...

Dems are a force of nature this election. The young and ethic (mostly dems) are voting like a house on fire.

The right is completely torn being McCain is a moderate. Guess what? So many Dems are torn between Obama and Clinton, the more conservative (white men of a certain age) Dem may just swing for McCain.

I've a strong inkling that my husband, who's been a die-hard Dem all his life, is leaning toward McCain.

My brother, a gay man - also for McCain.

Personally, I'm an idealist always eager for the buzz word "change" to become a reality. I'm pissed about how the candidates over-worked Obama's battle cry.

I will tell you that I am not impressed with Billary's campaign tactics. When a candidate resorts to mudslinging, its all over for me.

There are major problems with her campaign. Just yesterday her campaign manager stepped down.

See...Obama is Obama. Transparent. Yes, he's inexperienced - but he'll have good people behind him. He speaks from his heart, without the notecards. McCain as well, very effective and has that "I'm gonna keep you safe" appeal.

We don't need 4/8 more years of Clinton. Been there, done that. The gossip alone, past and future - not good. The fact that she may or may not get things done is practically irrelevant.

I am impressed with her (Hillary standing alone) blood, sweat and tears regarding health care reform but Obama wants this for his constituents as well, and if its gonna happen its gonna happen.

Like I said, I'm an idealist - a dreamer et. al. but I think Obama is a fresh face that has more of a shot to really turn things around, while Billary is staid, party-line, Washington insider and most of the nation (and the world) has their collective opinions previously formed about them/her.

There isn't going to be a Hillary.
It will always be Billary. Sad, but true.

Obama '08

Dear Prudence said...

Hi Maria,
For my two cents I would say # 1 and 2 really are personal moral judgments. I won't shake my finger at you so please don't shake yours at me.

# 3- I think that we think much too highly of ourselves and our POWER over the earth to think we really are have the devastating effect on the earth that is being blasted at us everyday. Are there things we should do in an effort to cut down on our contribution to unfriendly environmental practices, absolutely. But this doomsday shit is annoying and smug if you ask me.

#4- I think the only people who should be allowed to legally carry a weapon are law enforcement types. Those who use a gun for sports related activities should be screened, logged and kept on a list somewhere and periodically re-screened. There are too many weapons available to any nut to wishing to wreak havoc for whatever perverted reason they dream up. Just look at the news last week. Assault weapon of any kind should never be allowed for the general population. I am typically for less Government, but on this I say the more laws to prohibit gun sales to the general public the better.

#5- I am still out on this. You paint a grim picture that in my travels of the health care industry are not common practice, at least not around these parts. It is easy to “say” people are turned away and die because of lack of access to healthcare (Please understand I am not implying you are fibbing). If those practices were so commonplace I am sure there would be a barrage of news reports on it so as to make the argument for National Healthcare. I can say in my 45 years, I don’t think I have seen a single broadcast to that end. Is our health care system *ucked, absolutely. Is Government funded (TAXPAYER funded) Health Care the answer, I don’t know. I would like to see the figures on what is going to cost me out of pocket, tax wise before I answer that question.

So on that note I will say I will NOT be voting for McCain (he is a not a Conservative in any way shape or form) and may just change my party to make sure Hillary doesn’t get in.

Yes Maria, I believe morals should count.

Mrs. Schmitty said...

I hate to admit this, but I absolutely hate politics. I think they all are full of crap. But I too am in the same split as you. I just DON'T know.

eleKtrofly said...

strange that obama wouldn't support gay marriage when his church (the ucc) does.

anyway, i caucused for obama and actually got to be his official poll observer.

i like hillary too, and would be happy with either. but something about the way obama talks relates to me in a way no politician really ever has.

jacksmith said...

Bottom Line:

It looks like you got some vote fraud hanky-panky, and selling of votes going on in the democratic caucuses. Obama seems to be doing disproportionately well in the caucuses where it is easier to commit vote fraud, and sell votes. Obama has not been doing as well in the non caucus primary's where you can't cheat the vote as easily.

I smell a pole cat. I smell the Karl Rove vote fraud machine at work. This looks like past presidential elections where most voters leaving the poles said they voted for the other guy. But Bush still won. No wonder Obama thinks the republicans have some good ideas. Apparently a lot of republicans are voting for Obama in the democratic caucuses.

The insurance companies, and medical industry that have been ripping you off, and killing you are determined to keep you, the American people from having good universal health care. So it seems they are supporting Obama. Along with the republican vote fraud machine.

This looks like a great story for a team of aggressive investigative reporters. Or maybe some good documentary film makers like Michael Moore, or Oliver Stone.

If I were the Clinton's, I would focus like a laser bean on what has been going on in the democratic caucuses. No wonder the Republicans like Obama so much. Looks like he's their man in the democratic caucuses.

I'm absolutely convinced now that Hillary Clinton is your best choice for good universal health care coverage. And HR 676 (Medicare For All). "Single payer, Tax Supported, Not For Profit, True Universal Health Care" free for all as a right. Like every other developed country in the world has. See:

"HR 676:
For church goers: less money to insur. companies and more to the church- lots more.
Srs on Medicare: save way over $100/wk. Because no more medigap, long term care & dental insur. needed. No more drug bills."

They really think you are all stupid, inattentive cash cows... It may be time to bring back Bad Bill, Good Bill.

heartinsanfrancisco said...

I went through a similar process for the exact same reasons - I wanted to make an informed decision because I have good feelings about Obama and bad ones about Clinton.

Every quiz I took produced identical results: I agree with each of them equally.

I know too many women who are voting for Clinton simply because she is also female, and I don't consider that a good enough reason. So I went by my gut after all and voted for Obama in the CA primary.

Val said...

I tend to vote my gut reaction to people, as well as the issues. However, I find that how the candidate state their 'platforms' doesn't alwasy become a reality when they get elected.
I just feel that both Obama & Clinton are good candidates, but I really want Hillary to win.

Hahn at Home said...

I wonder how many states are going to have to allow "civil unions" in order to allow us to get all the Federal rights associated with marriage.

Disparity is disparity, no matter what you call it.

Sylvia said...

I like that you put gay marriage and/or civil unions under civil rights. So many people don't see it that way and to me it is clearly a question of civil rights. For me, Obama wins that one since he is the only candidate to say he was for civil unions. Clinton did not. There are so many partnership rights, legal rights, which come with marriage (or potentially civil unions), above and beyond health care. It felt like a cop-out that Clinton did not support civil rights, and equal access to marital rights, for everyone. I thought Obama was supporting those, so that made more of an Obama fan. But Clinton seemed so open and honest on Letterman, she almost swayed me. It is such a hard choice. We have a really late primary, so it is always all decided before we get to vote, so I'm not worrying about it. I'll vote for the one who is left.

Fate's Granddaughter said...

I used a similar formula for determining the candidate who would win my support, my findings left me underwhelmed. As an American living away from home, I must say that watching the US from afar can be disturbing at times. You don't realize until you are no longer immersed in it how corporate and entertainment driven everything seems to be. I have watched my favorites drop like flies from the democratic race, but there is potentially a glimmer of hope...

While comparing the issues on a fantastic website (aptly named "on the issues", I determined that Ralph Nader is my dream candidate. This opinion has been met with great resistance from even my most liberal friends, due to a fear that a vote for Nader would essentially a vote for the Republicans.

I can see where people are coming from, but a vote is just not honest if it is not for the person you genuinely believe to be the most representative of your views. Nader is still in the exploratory stages of his decision to run (or not), but I slept a lot better when I finally permitted myself to support the candidate to whom I can give my full support and allegiance.

Thank you for this post, it is clear from some of the comments that it has made a lot of people do some serious thinking about the issues. We need more of that!

One last thing - I have experienced both US "healthcare" and the universal system of the UK, and I wholeheartedly support universal coverage. My mother, a single mother who worked for a health insurance company at the time, had to declare bankruptcy to cover the cost of her treatment for breast cancer because her insurance was inadequate. What kind of a society allows that to happen?