Monday, November 19, 2007

Them's fightin' words....

I was watching a story on the news the other night about a couple who were celebrating their 70th wedding anniversary. The interviewer asked them what advice they would give to newlyweds.

"Never let the sun go down on your anger," the woman answered. Her husband nodded sagely, agreeing. And then he added, "Hold hands when you fight."

My response: Oh, bloody bullshit.

I have heard those pieces of idiotic advice more than once and I have never agreed with them.

I think this only works when you have two people of the exact same temperaments.

This does not work for Bing and I.

We were raised in families that were like night and day. Bing grew up in the deep south. Her father died when she was a baby, leaving her mother with 4 children ages 3, 2 and 1. (Bing has a twin brother. They were 2 years old when her father died.) Her mother cleaned houses to earn a living. They were dirt poor. Her mother was bi-polar and undiagnosed. Bing grew up in a family where her mother was a staunch believer that if you spared the rod, you spoiled the child. She could make a family dinner by the age of eight. She did her own laundry too. She is the most self sufficient person I have ever met.

Bing's family is alarmingly frank. They simply do NOT understand the meaning of the word tact. They say exactly what they think and damn the torpedoes. I have been at more family dinners at her mother's house (she ended up moving here several years ago) where I was convinced that the people fighting would either end up dead or maimed. And then they hugged and kissed goodbye. It was as if that terrible fight where she called him a dick and he said she was a bitch in front of all of us had never happened.

Bing has a short fuse. She gets angry easily, vents it and lets it go. She says what she thinks. If you ask her if that dress makes you look fat and it does, she will say so. She is honest to a fault and like the rest of her family, seems unable to self censor.

I both love this and detest this at the same time. And she will be the first to tell you that I am giving her a crash course in tact and simple social manners.

I, on the other hand, grew up in a very devout Irish Catholic family. We prayed over all meals, before bed and just whenever one of my parents felt like it. They felt like it a lot. I have three sisters and we were not allowed to argue or even raise a voice to each other. If we did, we were sent to our rooms where we were instructed to write ten things that we loved about the sister we were fighting with. We could not come out until we did this. And then we had to hug and apologize. Our home was not only tidy, it was very mannerly and extremely quiet and serene.

Well, on the surface anyway.

I was the kind of child who could knock off ten things that I loved about my sister on one sheet of paper and then secretly write ten truly sinister, wicked traits of theirs in my diary. It helped with the pent up anger.

But, the result is that I do not know how to fight properly and Bing does it too easily and with little tact or grace.

We are very, very different.

If I had to make up after a fight before I could go to sleep, I would stubbornly force myself to stay awake for days. Bing is fine with making up. In fact, ten minutes after she has had a hissy fit over some dumb thing, she will come sniffing up to me to make up. She has since learned that while she is usually ready, I need time and space.

Here is an example:

One night last week, Bing called me from work to say that she had to keep several kids after school, so she would be late going to the gym for her daily work out and not to expect her for dinner. I said okay.

I figured that this was a perfect time for Liv to bake her plate for Bing. Liv had purchased a porcelain plate at Goodwill and then bought some porcelain paints at the local paint store. She painted Bing's plate, but it needed to bake for a half hour to set the paint. So, she and I stuck it in the oven and were sitting and eating cream of wheat for dinner.

Bing came through the back door looking mad as hell.

Turns out she had forgotten her gym bag and therefore had to skip the gym and ride the stationary bike in the basement instead. She was crabby; it didn't take a genius to figure that out.

I told her not to peek in the oven as her gift from Liv was in there. Liv sat beaming at the kitchen table at her.

And Bing said, "Please tell me that you didn't make a big mess in that oven. I just cleaned it last week."

I glared at her and told her that of COURSE we didn't make a mess.

Bing then went to the kitchen sink for a glass of water and commented that the sink was dirty. I told her that I would clean it out after Liv and I were finished with dinner. She sighed and got out the Comet cleanser.

"I know how you clean. I'll just do it...." she said. She didn't notice that I was shooting her a heated look. We have a recurring argument that I don't get things clean enough. I think I clean just fine.

She then went to throw something away in the trash and that was it. Her temper flared.

"God! Would it KILL YOU to empty the trash before it is overflowing?" she half shouted at me.

That did it for me too, but I am always very careful not to argue in front of Liv. I just won't do it. So, I went up to her and said very, very quietly that she had told me to please not empty the trash anymore. I was emptying it too often and "wasting paper bags."

Bing is very green. She is a champion at recycling.

Bing sighed and said, "Fine. Never mind. Don't lift a damn finger. I'll just do it."

She muttered something else that I couldn't hear. I glanced at Liv who had carefully sidled out of her chair and headed to the living room to watch television.

I ended up following Bing to the bedroom where she was changing into her workout shorts.

I hissed at her. Told her that she was mad because she forgot her gym bag and decided to take it out on me and she could just stop this shit right now. That I wasn't her dog to kick when she came home. I told her that making a snotty remark about the oven when Liv had her Christmas gift baking in there was tactless and rude. And then I told her to stay clear of me for awhile. If I had felt forced to hold her hand while I was saying all of this, I probably would have sunk my nails into it.

I stalked out.

She stalked down to the basement to ride the bike. She cranked up her music so loudly that it was pulsating in my feet as I walked across the kitchen, tidying up. I took Liv's plate out of the oven and she and I admired it. I put it on the back porch to cool off.

I read to Liv and put her to bed. Bing came back upstairs and I could tell by her face that she had seen the error of her ways and wanted to cozy up.

NO WAY, RAY.

See...she had cooled off. She was mad, she vented, and then it was over.

Not me. While she was riding her bike, I was silently seething as I had learned as a child. I am a master at holding it in.

Bing tried to talk to me twice. Twice I ignored her. She wisely backed off.

We didn't sleep together that night. Bing also knew not to even try to get in that bed with me. She slept in the guest room. Luckily, we do this occasionally. If Liv is sick, she sleeps with me and Bing sleeps in the guest room. If one of us has a cold, we sleep in the guest room. If I snore (this is a wicked falsehood....Bing says that I sometimes snore. I DO NOT. No. Absolutely not.), Bing will sleep in the guest room. If her RLS (restless leg syndrome) kicks up, I will sleep in the guest room rather than wake up because she has slapped her hand over my face like a dead fish or kicked me hard in her sleep.

Liv doesn't know that we also sleep separately when we argue. Or maybe she does. I guess I don't know. I only know that it isn't unusual for us to sleep alone sometimes.

The next morning, before work, Bing came in and apologized, said that yes, she HAD been mad about her gym bag and overreacted, etc and that she would make a big happy fuss around Liv and try to guess what had been in the oven. She said, "Can we start the day fresh and kiss good morning?"

Yes, we could.

But, I am telling you right now, I had not been ready to make up the night before. I had to sleep it off a bit. Time and space work wonders for me.

So, I am not keen on the arguments for holding hands when fighting and not letting the sun go down on your anger.

What do you think? Yea or Nay?

27 comments:

dennis said...

damn woman!
I think you ought not hang around the 'ole fuddie-duddies either!

LOL

Now before you slap me, remember to hold your hands together first.

Gypsy said...

It's a very nice theory and one that would be nice to stick to (forget the holding hands bit though, that's ridiculous) BUT .....I'm like you. I need to get over it in my own way and in my own time.

I very seldom get in arguments anyway because there is little I feel is worth getting that worked up about but when I do, it takes me a long time to cool down. Maybe its because of the fact it would take something pretty bad to get me that angry in the first place that I find it hard to let go of the argument once its happened.

It is a nice theory as I said, but probably totally unrealistic.

kristi said...

Let me tell ya, Tony wakes up bitching EVERY FRACKING MORNING about something. Makes me nuts. A lot of mornings we argue and he leaves me alone all day and by the evening, I am fine. Of course I point out what a total ass he is, and he agrees and we make up. Now, I get mad, I vent but I do hold a grudge. Tony is getting better at staying mad at me for a long time...he used to not do this and was ready to make up in like 5 minutes. Guess I'm rubbing off on him. OY!

Angelissima said...

I sound like Bing when I'm angry always going after the fact that no one does anything around the house or if they do, its not CLEAN ENOUGH or TIDY ENOUGH...

I self-censor though. I'd try to make a silk purse out of a sows ear before I told anyone they looked fat.

My father is Sicilian and my mother is Irish.
Its a crazy emotional rollercoaster combination.

Two of my brothers are very vengeful - they torture their wives with their coldness.

My brother Chris and I usually laugh stuff off. Then again, Chris and I don't have many feathers left to ruffle!

I HATE going to bed angry. How can you stand it?

Jules said...

Gosh I need to print this out and have a good ol' read but from what i have gleaned so far i totally agree!!! My husband came from a family of fighters and my parents never raised their voices in front of us so i had a fit the first time i saw people arguing i nearly died!!! I tended to sulk because of this - I couldn't vent the anger - but i must say i am much better now i am older - my fuse is much shorter than it used to be!!!!

I reckon the only reason you would hold someone's hand when you were having a fight was to stop them grabbing a blunt object!!!!

Chelle said...

We don't fight very often and when we do it makes me feel so bad that I usually try to make up pretty quickly. Amy is pretty much the same way, so our arguments are short lived. I can only remember a couple of times in the last 24+ years when I have gone to bed angry.

Josie Two Shoes said...

I am more like Bing, I blow up, say my piece, and then get over it. It is misery for me to spend a night alone with the person I love in the next room. But I do accept that sometimes a little time and space is needed before cooler heads can prevail and things can be talked out.

JYankee said...

I think what works for OTHER couples may not work for you...or me for that matter. Some people can do it..some people need a few days to let it sink in and then filter it out. I dont think either way is bad. We are the same..I dont think we've ever fought and went to bed having made up..I think we both need a few days for it to blow over..and I dont think it is wrong or right..it is just US..just like it is for you and Bing.

CDPJ said...

You will not be surprised to learn that Hubbz and I are the exact same way. And his snap reactions are sometimes so out of line with the scope of the situation, I think that's what pisses me off more than anything. Like right now for instance, he's screaming at the TV because they switched away from "his game" and when I tried to talk to him about something he totally bit my head off. I don't know what's worse, keeping things bottled up or blowing up with such misplaced anger. But I can totally relate to your frustration...

Terroni said...

I live in a rather dreary part of the country. If we didn't let the sun go down on our anger, we wouldn't be able to fight 9 gray months out of the year.

And that holding hands stuff is just bullshit. Touching me when I'm angry is a surefire way to make me bat shit crazy.

Kate said...

Oh, God.

Holding hands when we fight? I need at least one hand free to throw the sugar bowl at his head.

I used to buy into the whole "sun set on your anger" shit. But I got over it. I was getting so sleepy.

Hey, I'm glad you got your hands on "Hitty". Whether Liv likes it or not, YOU'LL enjoy reading it.

dive said...

Slap me, Maria. I'm with Bing.
And another thing: making up when you're still angry makes for really, REALLY hot sex!
And you DO feel better after.

simonsays said...

I think it sounds fine in theory, but it's bullshit in real life. I also think that holding anger in is hard on ones health---I guess there has to be a happy medium somewhere, and finding it is always the problem!

Ingrid said...

Yeah, the whole "don't go to bed angry" is one of those one-size-fits-all self-help platitudes that doesn't really work for everybody.

I am quite explosive. Usually I rant and rage and then I have to spend time picking up the pieces and apologizing to everybody for being so bitchy. Gabe is not as mercurial as me, but he also has that touch of the Mediterranean in him. When he's stressed he can get snappy and bitch about being the only one cleaning the litterbox, etc.

Most of our arguments are over quickly because that's our temperament, not because of a recipe for couple happiness.

chrisyub said...

Know what's even a worse combination? Two nonconfrontationalists. That's me and the Mr. At least when you're pissed you say what you need to say. I just practice in my head.

Scout said...

Hmmm. I say yea AND nay. As with most rules of life, I think not letting the sun go down on your anger is more of a guideline.

I grew up not being allowed to be angry at all, although I never had to make a list of things I loved about my sisters. So, I can seeth with the best of them.

zirelda said...

I think you should hold hands while you fight so each participant can aim well and hopefully land one. Lessee how would that work, if both parties are right handed they'd have to hold left hands. Could make for good black eyes. :)

You guys fight like Dan and I do. He blows up and I incubate my anger. I never learned how to fight either which my ex pointed out, But boy can I sit on my self justification and build things up.

the only daughter said...

When with the wasband I held things in--and held on to the anger. As did he. It would bubble & boil and then smooth out. For 16 years this was our pattern.

I was single for nearly 9 years when I met the woman I intend to spend the rest of my life with nearly a year ago. We haven't had many fights but I can see that I'm more willing/inclined to talk it out immediately, get it settled and move on. At present though, our relationship is of the long distance variety and conducted primarly over the phone.

It would indeed be interesting to see how we fight when we've been sharing the same space day in/day out.

I'm sure though, we won't be holding hands.

Stacy said...

Don't let the sun go down...what a load of crap. Tim and I have a relationship similar to yours with Bing. I am the venter who is ready to make nice right after. Tim's the one who needs time and space. What's odd is that he came from the large, rowdy Catholic family and I am an only child from a subdued family where emotions had no place.

eleKtrofly said...

aw--

this is cute. it sounds like you two complement each other, even though you are very different.

I'm Kate... said...

Screw holding hands in an argument. I usually have my dukes UP.

We don't fight often, and when we do, I'm the one that throws the blows. I HATE this about me, but I've learned in our marriage that if you don't get your word in quick, you don't get it in. I didn't grow up that way - he did - and I've adapted to his way because its harder to change him when he's around his family more than I'm around mine. I grew up more serene around gentle discussion.

Anyway, when we bout, he'll say his piece, and then he levels out, and then tries to make me laugh. When he tries to crack a joke, that only makes me "swing" harder and makes my face get redder. If we are still arguing by the time we need to go to bed, I try to level out where he is, agree that the argument is still existent, and then decide to sleep on the situation, and talk in the morning when we are fresh. Kiss and say I love you, then in the morning....*ding* ... its ROUND 2, baby.

sandy shoes said...

Hold my hands while we're fighting? Nuh-uh. That's a good way to get your fingers broken. And, you know, safety first.

greymatters said...

Ummmm ... both the gf and I are much like Bing, I'm afraid. Not that we are about to hold hands when we argue, though. I, too, am lace-curtain Irish -- but I seem to have held on to some shanty tendencies and I'm probably a good knee-capper when fighting. MV is much the same.

I can see us going to bed angry, but by morning we'd be fine.

But hold hands during an argument?! Whisky. Tango. Foxtrot????

Trop said...

I can't get angry. Okay, once I got so pissed off at my then-husband I threw something right at his face. It really felt good to do that. But I think that's the only time I've been really angry.

Patois said...

Sandy Shoes made me laugh too much. I forgot what I was going to say.

Mme Benaut said...

Just a couple of thoughts:
Never treat anyone else in a way that you would not like to be treated yourself. (Consideration)
If you are gentle with animals and children; you generally only fight with someone who is bullying you. (Assertiveness)
The only reason for having an argument is if there is a reasonable expectation that a positive change will result from it. (Common Sense)
It takes more energy to be angry than to let the anger go and enjoy something else. (Self Interest)
If someone is constantly bringing you down instead of lifting you up then it is time to change partners (Self Preservation)

Having said all of that: if M.B makes me really mad, I tend to turn the anger inward and do something self-destructive (like clean the house like a maniac) rather than vent, but only until I work out what the hell is actually going on. Once I think I know what is going on I either deal with it or I'm ready for Round Two and then, he'd better get the hell out of my way while I spit. Then, having had my say which usually results in a comment like "message received loud and clear", that is the end of it.
We always sleep together but I usually wait until he is asleep before I get into bed and then I cuddle the cat who always sleeps in the middle anyway.
Bing's remarks on this occasion seemed to me to be totally out of line and your "I'm not your dog to kick when you get home" was totally appropriate. You are NOBODY'S punching bag, Maria and if you continue to make that point loud and clear to Bing, believe me, she won't dare pull a stunt like that again. She might take the trash out with some banging and clanging but she won't say anything.
Also, I don't think it would hurt Liv to hear you say to Bing in front of her that speaking to you like that is both inappropriate and unacceptable, full stop. If you constantly do it behind closed doors, Liv will get the mistaken impression that you are weak.
You know the expression: if you don't have anything nice to say, say nothing at all - you could try this line on Bing.

My grandmother always said "don't let the sun go down on your anger" too. The thing is, you can forgive but you never ever forget, nor should you.

I have been guilty of saying "don't touch me!" too but happily, never to M.B since we gave up fighting about three years ago. When you feel really secure, you tend to discuss things calmly and keep your bad moods to yourself out of respect for the other person. Save the drama for the TV screen.

Thanks for sharing Maria - hope that it lightened your load.

SassyFemme said...

We try really hard to not go to bed angry with each other. If we are, and can't get past it, we at least still say that we love each other before turning off the light. We've also woken each other up in the middle of the night to talk after a big fight. We never sleep in separate beds, though.